So, The folks at SM have provided me with a response, here it is:
sorry that you feel you were banned without cause. You know that I have always tried to be fair to you.
It was not one comment but rather the progressive trend of increasing hostility and lack of consideration for others that we have seen in your comments. Put simply, your confrontational nature and tendency to hijack posts turns people off and discourages them from commenting on our site. We reserve the right to maintain an atmosphere that is inclusive where people can feel comfortable exchanging ideas. I hope you find another forum where you can engage in the types of discussions you seem to be seeking.
Best,
XXXXX
Now, lets just have a look at the last thread which apparently was "the straw that broke the camels back" in this situation.
link here
My first post, said I had no interesting stories, and I stated an opinion that inter-religious weddings where each side is deep into their religions would probably not work out, that if anything would require one side to not so connected to the ritualistic side of their religion.
I had a few energetic posts.. but no vitriol directed against any one person.
The first time I directed any insults at ANY ONE PERSON was here
but lo and behold, it was in direct response to this statement.
Namely, this excerpt: "i can't believe what a penny pinching scrooge that hmf fellow is. i feel sorry for his partner and children."
Not only is this person a gold-digger, they have the gall to insult my family.
Now, in my response, I called this person for the gold-digging b*tch she is, basically assessing a man's value by his wallet, which is the clear implication in her statement.
I invite any of you readers to go back to ANY thread, and locate a direct attack I've made that wasn't provoked in this way. You'd be hard pressed to find any examples.
And yet the usually fair folks at SM, have now renegged on their own claim to create an environment with a willfull exchange of ideas.
Apparently they are happy only when you agree to spending money on big weddings.
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"I invite any of you readers to go back to ANY thread, and locate a direct attack I've made that wasn't provoked in this way. You'd be hard pressed to find any examples."
Well, on your very own blog, "male/female dynamics revisited":
"your bs argument"
"This is delusional at best and idiotic at worst."
"Seriously, pull your head outside of your ass. (and from previous exchanges with you, it's deeply wedged there)"
"It means you once again are proving how much of an idiot you are."
My blog doesn't count bro. here I can tell you to ram a crowbar up your ass and scrape out your brain just to make sure there exists some..
I'm talking about SEPIAMUTINY.. you know, the blog mentioned like 3 times in the post?
Anyway I'm sure you're dancing your little victory dance in whatever manhattan highrise your white-kssing ass inhabits.
Secondly, I didn't let the floodgates open w/respect to you, until you actually lobbed personal, ad hominem attacks towards me.. way back when.
"My blog doesn't count bro."
You see a tree but miss the forrest. How you sound on that thread is how you sound on SM. Its not like your a differnt person here.
The answer you seek is right in front of your face. In the very post in which you complain about being banned, you managed to call a woman a b*tch.
"Secondly, I didn't let the floodgates open w/respect to you, until you actually lobbed personal, ad hominem attacks towards me.. way back when."
Again, the answer you seek is right in front of your face. Even if we where to assume, and this is a big assumption, that I lobbed ad hominem attacks toward you first, instead of letting it go as time goes on, you ratcheted up the venom.
People get into fights on SM all the time. But they let it go and move on. You didn't, and I guess the SM folks thought it was damaging their brand.
"Anyway I'm sure you're dancing your little victory dance in whatever manhattan highrise your white-kssing ass inhabits."
I never asked you to be banned, or even censored. others did.
If you haven't noticed, I have a high degree of tolerance for radical thought. Anything between and including Marx and Mussolini is OK with me. I even take borderline racists, like charles murray or maloclm x seriously.
so i was never one to call for SM's trifecta of hysteria--you, prema, and pardesi gori--to be banned.
"You see a tree but miss the forrest. How you sound on that thread is how you sound on SM. "
Right. but I sound that way there in response to provocation. They have a problem with people defending themselves.
"In the very post in which you complain about being banned, you managed to call a woman a b*tch."
And she called me cheap... but you neglected that didn't you?
"instead of letting it go as time goes on, you ratcheted up the venom."
I didn't ratchet it up, I matched it.
"I even take borderline racists, like charles "
Malcolm X isnot a borderline racist. You are misguided as usual.
"so i was never one to call for SM's trifecta of hysteria--you, prema, and pardesi gori--to be banned."
See it's shit like this? now If I responded in defense to being called a hysteric, somehow I'm the bad guy. Go figure.
"And she called me cheap... but you neglected that didn't you?"
True, but going from "penny pinching scrooge" to "gold-digging bitch" constitutes a ratcheting up, especially considering the gendered slur "bitch"
now that alone is not enough to get you banned from SM, but it was constantly happening. Plus the person who called you a scrooge was responding to general misogynistic insults you lobbed on the thread, though at no one in particular.
"I didn't ratchet it up, I matched it"
I can't imagine I used terms like "delusional", "idiotic", "head out your ass", "idiot". not my style. And just look at your next reponse: "I can tell you to ram a crowbar up your ass and scrape out your brain just to make sure there exists some." They probably just didn't want stuff like that on their blog.
"See it's shit like this? now If I responded in defense to being called a hysteric, somehow I'm the bad guy. Go figure."
You can insult on SM, but you gotta keep it subtle and funny. I'm sure people cracked up when I described you on SM as being part of the "axis of hysteria." It witty, if i do say myself, unique, and contains a cultural reference.
You and Prema tended to drone on with the same bombastic hyperbole touching the same themes ad nauseam with more than a touch of bigotry.
And I don't think its accurate that you never started stuff, but I'll check for examples another time. either way, i think that's why you got in trouble there.
True, but going from "penny pinching scrooge" to "gold-digging bitch" constitutes a ratcheting up, especially considering the gendered slur "bitch"
I called her a gold digging bitch (which she probably is) ON MY FUCKING BLOG. you know..the ONE YOU ARE READING? (and it seems only you)
SM can't ban me for what I say on my blog! And your response is , "you say the same things on SM" POINT OUT WHERE?
'now that alone is not enough to get you banned from SM, but it was constantly happening. Plus the person who called you a scrooge was responding to general misogynistic insults you lobbed on the thread, though at no one in particular. "
Saying that women are more likely than not responsbile and just generally intersted in weddings is not misogynistic. Then saying "women have vaginas" is equally misogynistic.
"And I don't think its accurate that you never started stuff, but I'll check for examples another time. "
Go right ahead. if its ad hominem, you'd have to search far and hard for it, turn yourself into a electronic Sam Girard really. And even if you find one, it will most likely be a stretch.
"You and Prema tended to drone on with the same bombastic hyperbole"
because uncle toms like yourself refuse to see the plain truth in front of you.
"I called her a gold digging bitch (which she probably is) ON MY FUCKING BLOG. you know..the ONE YOU ARE READING? (and it seems only you)"
I know. But the truth is right in front of your own eyes. Right here. Look at how you responded on your own male/female dynamics post. "delusional", "idiotic", "idiot."
An then you try to justify with some un-named hyberole that was aimed at you in some unnamed past post.
Do you really think you somehow metamorphosed on SM? That's how you come across. That's you.
Take the post that got you banned. It wasn't too bad, imo, but i guess it was the proverbial straw. it was a light hearted post about marriage.
But yet you respond to ride with a "Fine. Go to a macdonalds. What kind of counterpoint is this?" and " Who gives a F*ck about expectation"
Hostile. Belligerent. Not unlike prema's tiresome "delusional", "hogwash", etc.
Then you follow thru with a borderline sexist "A real woman with half a brain..."
its unclear why women are singled out, as men are often concerned about status too.
now, as a Conservative, I'm fairly open to traditional stereotypes. And even though SM is generally progressive, they try to be friendly to Conservative thought. But you do yourself no favors by using such bombastic language as "half a brain"
When entertaining thoughts that can be construed as bigoted you really need to have a sense of nuance, and back it up with data as opposed to personal experience. Think of the way razib discusses racial IQ differices, which is allowed. Now if he presented it the wya you present gender differences, he would be banned.
Even on this thread, your vagina response would be considered simplistic, hyperbolic, insulting, and Angry on SM. Obviously, equating a woman's physical characteristics with stereotypical wants is a misoginistic no no.
Now, i'm with you that these stereotypes are often true, but you have to prove it, not just assert it in hostile, angry language.
Here's one I remember. The "But what will the community think?!" Post. You enter with a:
"What kind of fucked up shit is this? Oh wait. I forgot, Manju discussing Malcolm X is like Denise Richards discussing Pi-Meson theory."
When warned by the intern (anna) you barrel forward with:
"But there's only so much stupidity one human being can take..."
I guess they got tired of stuff like this.
"Do you really think you somehow metamorphosed on SM? That's how you come across. That's you."
Show me. You're making statements without backing them up. as usual. How I am here is completely different than how I am on SM. I dont know what's difficult to understand about what Imsaying. on my blog I can say whatever the fuck I want to whoever the fuck I want, so I let it rip loose.
"Hostile. Belligerent"
Against who? No one. Hostility and Belligerence against no one in particular, and it's usually against someone. Energetic and Vocal, yes. But no hostility there, rather a genuine register of shock.
"What kind of fucked up shit is this? Oh wait. I forgot, Manju discussing Malcolm X is like Denise Richards discussing Pi-Meson theory"
Link please. besides with you I say there's an exception. You went ad hominem with me well before.
Besides, Razib posts the most inane, long-winded, pointless stuff. if anyone should be charged with hijacking posts it's him. But they lick his ass over there.
"How I am here is completely different than how I am on SM."
No, you're the same person. A tad toned down t, to be fair.
But if you're genuenely puzzled, I'm anserring your question. The samne need to speak in hyperbole in response to comments is apparent over there.
I know you think its justified, that others started it, but they don't.
"Against who? No one. Hostility and Belligerence against no one in particular, and it's usually against someone. Energetic and Vocal, yes. But no hostility there, rather a genuine register of shock."
Against rudy. And it also dumbed down the entire thread, taking a light post and turning it into a hostile, angry, borderline misogynistic one.
if you made your points without using extreme bombastic language like "half a brain" they'd probably let you stick around.
"Link please. besides with you I say there's an exception. You went ad hominem with me well before."
I gave you the title of the post, just google it.
you have yet to cite the ad hominem that i allegedly started. either way, its moot. you intitiated it on that thread and notice even after Anna warned you, you continued.
I guess they got sick of it.
"But they lick his ass over there."
This is what I mean when I say the answer is right in front of your face.
I understand this is your blog, and even that others use this language from time to time.
But with you and prema it was so constant, so repetitive. and almost every thread you where on devolved into your pet peeves: women and UTs, even those thread that had very little to do with those subjects, like the one that got you banned.
" and almost every thread you where on devolved into your pet peeves: women and UTs"
like I said about hijacking, if its truly an undiscussion worthy topic no one would respond. A single person cant hijack anything.
Hey, you're back on SM! Congratulations! We'll round up PG and Prema and go out for margaritas.
I thought you only liked to drink white russians.
"I thought you only liked to drink white russians."
HA! HA! HA!
Good one!
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